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Boyandin Konstantin
Hello,

I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently the phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by Dspam and thus requires much manual work to remove.

is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e., with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my email box) regularly and analyze its content as required?

The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered spam).

I would appreciate pieces of advice.

Sincerely,
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Re: [Dspam-user] Dspam marks 'Innocent' spam that comes in forwarded email

Tom Hendrikx
On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently the
> phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing dangerous
> content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by Dspam and thus
> requires much manual work to remove.
>
> is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e., with
> 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my email box)
> regularly and analyze its content as required?
>
> The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are
> forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered
> spam).
>
> I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>
It depends on how your mail system is setup, but preferable you'd have
the MTA passing the envelope sender (after alias expansion etc) to
dspam. In that way, DSPAM doesn't care about the message headers.

Tom


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Re: [Dspam-user] Dspam marks 'Innocent' spam that comes in forwarded email

Wicher Minnaard
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Hi,

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently the phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by Dspam and thus requires much manual work to remove.
>
> is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e., with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my email box) regularly and analyze its content as required?
>
> The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered spam).
>
> I would appreciate pieces of advice.

Well, the easies 'fix' might be to disable whitelisting for the
mailbox which is receiving the forwarded messages. Through
dspam_admin:

dspam_admin add preference [hidden email] enableWhitelist off

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Boyandin Konstantin
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Hello Tom,

15.05.2014, 15:07, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:

> On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>
>>  Hello,
>>
>>  I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently the
>>  phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing dangerous
>>  content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by Dspam and thus
>>  requires much manual work to remove.
>>
>>  is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e., with
>>  'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my email box)
>>  regularly and analyze its content as required?
>>
>>  The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are
>>  forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered
>>  spam).
>>
>>  I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>
> It depends on how your mail system is setup, but preferable you'd have
> the MTA passing the envelope sender (after alias expansion etc) to
> dspam. In that way, DSPAM doesn't care about the message headers.

I use the Exim setup when Dspam is used as filter.

transport_filter = "/usr/bin/dspam --stdout --mode=teft --feature=noise,whitelist --client --deliver=innocent,spam --user ${lc:$local_part}"

The whole message is passed, including Envelope-to: header. How should I make Dspam to care about message headers?

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Konstantin

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Re: [Dspam-user] Dspam marks 'Innocent' spam that comes in forwarded email

Boyandin Konstantin
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Hello Wicher,

18.05.2014, 17:41, "Wicher" <[hidden email]>:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>  Hello,
>>
>>  I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently the phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by Dspam and thus requires much manual work to remove.
>>
>>  is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e., with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my email box) regularly and analyze its content as required?
>>
>>  The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered spam).
>>
>>  I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>
> Well, the easies 'fix' might be to disable whitelisting for the
> mailbox which is receiving the forwarded messages. Through
> dspam_admin:
>
> dspam_admin add preference [hidden email] enableWhitelist off

That would mean additional work of studying spam folder more frequently, since ligitimate messages from whitelisted sources may end up eing sent to spam.

I would prefer to make Dspam study headers as expected, to look for obvious spam marks (missing SPF/DKIm and other tests).

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Konstantin


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Tom Hendrikx
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On 05/19/2014 04:00 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:

> Hello Tom,
>
> 15.05.2014, 15:07, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>> On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently
>>> the phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing
>>> dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by
>>> Dspam and thus requires much manual work to remove.
>>>
>>> is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e.,
>>> with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my
>>> email box) regularly and analyze its content as required?
>>>
>>> The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are
>>> forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered
>>> spam).
>>>
>>> I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>>
>> It depends on how your mail system is setup, but preferable you'd
>> have the MTA passing the envelope sender (after alias expansion
>> etc) to dspam. In that way, DSPAM doesn't care about the message
>> headers.
>
> I use the Exim setup when Dspam is used as filter.
>
> transport_filter = "/usr/bin/dspam --stdout --mode=teft
> --feature=noise,whitelist --client --deliver=innocent,spam --user
> ${lc:$local_part}"
>
> The whole message is passed, including Envelope-to: header. How
> should I make Dspam to care about message headers?
>
If you pipe to dspam like you dom dspam should be able to use the --user
<foo>. That should be enough for dspam, so no header parsing should be
used. Did you enable 'ParseToHeaders'? It should not be needed.

Tom



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Boyandin Konstantin
19.05.2014, 15:01, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:

> On 05/19/2014 04:00 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>
>>  Hello Tom,
>>
>>  15.05.2014, 15:07, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>>>  On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>>>  Hello,
>>>>
>>>>  I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox. Recently
>>>>  the phishing spam (typically with an attachment containing
>>>>  dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as "Innocent" by
>>>>  Dspam and thus requires much manual work to remove.
>>>>
>>>>  is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message (i.e.,
>>>>  with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email address of my
>>>>  email box) regularly and analyze its content as required?
>>>>
>>>>  The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are
>>>>  forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not considered
>>>>  spam).
>>>>
>>>>  I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>>>  It depends on how your mail system is setup, but preferable you'd
>>>  have the MTA passing the envelope sender (after alias expansion
>>>  etc) to dspam. In that way, DSPAM doesn't care about the message
>>>  headers.
>>  I use the Exim setup when Dspam is used as filter.
>>
>>  transport_filter = "/usr/bin/dspam --stdout --mode=teft
>>  --feature=noise,whitelist --client --deliver=innocent,spam --user
>>  ${lc:$local_part}"
>>
>>  The whole message is passed, including Envelope-to: header. How
>>  should I make Dspam to care about message headers?
>
> If you pipe to dspam like you dom dspam should be able to use the --user
> <foo>. That should be enough for dspam, so no header parsing should be
> used. Did you enable 'ParseToHeaders'? It should not be needed.

ParseToHeaders and ChangeUserOnParse were defaults (on), I have explicitly set them to off.

I'll watch the results for a couple of days (if the incoming spam messages of mentioned kind will still be marked as innocent).

Konstantin

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Tom Hendrikx
On 05/20/2014 05:31 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:

> 19.05.2014, 15:01, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>> On 05/19/2014 04:00 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Tom,
>>>
>>> 15.05.2014, 15:07, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>>>> On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox.
>>>>> Recently the phishing spam (typically with an attachment
>>>>> containing dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as
>>>>> "Innocent" by Dspam and thus requires much manual work to
>>>>> remove.
>>>>>
>>>>> is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message
>>>>> (i.e., with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email
>>>>> address of my email box) regularly and analyze its content as
>>>>> required?
>>>>>
>>>>> The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are
>>>>> forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not
>>>>> considered spam).
>>>>>
>>>>> I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>>>> It depends on how your mail system is setup, but preferable
>>>> you'd have the MTA passing the envelope sender (after alias
>>>> expansion etc) to dspam. In that way, DSPAM doesn't care about
>>>> the message headers.
>>> I use the Exim setup when Dspam is used as filter.
>>>
>>> transport_filter = "/usr/bin/dspam --stdout --mode=teft
>>> --feature=noise,whitelist --client --deliver=innocent,spam
>>> --user ${lc:$local_part}"
>>>
>>> The whole message is passed, including Envelope-to: header. How
>>> should I make Dspam to care about message headers?
>>
>> If you pipe to dspam like you dom dspam should be able to use the
>> --user <foo>. That should be enough for dspam, so no header parsing
>> should be used. Did you enable 'ParseToHeaders'? It should not be
>> needed.
>
> ParseToHeaders and ChangeUserOnParse were defaults (on), I have
> explicitly set them to off.
>
> I'll watch the results for a couple of days (if the incoming spam
> messages of mentioned kind will still be marked as innocent).
>
After re-reading the whole thread, the fact that stuff is marked as
whitelisted is of course bad too. Since the original receiver/forwarder
didn't do a good job blocking malicious content, it shouldn't be trusted.

Maybe disabling whitelisting for your specific user is the better
option, like Wicher already mentioned.

Tom


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Boyandin Konstantin
20.05.2014, 14:54, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:

> On 05/20/2014 05:31 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>
>>  19.05.2014, 15:01, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>>>  On 05/19/2014 04:00 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>>>  Hello Tom,
>>>>
>>>>  15.05.2014, 15:07, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>  On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox.
>>>>>>  Recently the phishing spam (typically with an attachment
>>>>>>  containing dangerous content in .zip form) is being marked as
>>>>>>  "Innocent" by Dspam and thus requires much manual work to
>>>>>>  remove.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message
>>>>>>  (i.e., with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email
>>>>>>  address of my email box) regularly and analyze its content as
>>>>>>  required?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages are
>>>>>>  forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not
>>>>>>  considered spam).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>>>>>  It depends on how your mail system is setup, but preferable
>>>>>  you'd have the MTA passing the envelope sender (after alias
>>>>>  expansion etc) to dspam. In that way, DSPAM doesn't care about
>>>>>  the message headers.
>>>>  I use the Exim setup when Dspam is used as filter.
>>>>
>>>>  transport_filter = "/usr/bin/dspam --stdout --mode=teft
>>>>  --feature=noise,whitelist --client --deliver=innocent,spam
>>>>  --user ${lc:$local_part}"
>>>>
>>>>  The whole message is passed, including Envelope-to: header. How
>>>>  should I make Dspam to care about message headers?
>>>  If you pipe to dspam like you dom dspam should be able to use the
>>>  --user <foo>. That should be enough for dspam, so no header parsing
>>>  should be used. Did you enable 'ParseToHeaders'? It should not be
>>>  needed.
>>  ParseToHeaders and ChangeUserOnParse were defaults (on), I have
>>  explicitly set them to off.
>>
>>  I'll watch the results for a couple of days (if the incoming spam
>>  messages of mentioned kind will still be marked as innocent).
>
> After re-reading the whole thread, the fact that stuff is marked as
> whitelisted is of course bad too. Since the original receiver/forwarder
> didn't do a good job blocking malicious content, it shouldn't be trusted.

If I set up Dspam on the server where mail is coming from, is it possible to take into account theclassification Dspam makes on forwarded messages?

(for certain reasons we prefer to do all spam sorting on the target mailboxes, to avoid additional analysis elsewhere)

> Maybe disabling whitelisting for your specific user is the better
> option, like Wicher already mentioned.

Done, thanks to Wicher for the piece of advice. Today more spam gets correctly identified.

Konstantin

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Tom Hendrikx
On 05/21/2014 04:26 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:

> 20.05.2014, 14:54, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>> On 05/20/2014 05:31 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>
>>> 19.05.2014, 15:01, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>>>> On 05/19/2014 04:00 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>> 15.05.2014, 15:07, "Tom Hendrikx" <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>> On 05/15/2014 03:47 AM, Boyandin Konstantin wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I receive quite a lot of email from another mailbox.
>>>>>>> Recently the phishing spam (typically with an attachment
>>>>>>> containing dangerous content in .zip form) is being
>>>>>>> marked as "Innocent" by Dspam and thus requires much
>>>>>>> manual work to remove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is it possible to force Dspam to treat forwarded message
>>>>>>> (i.e., with 'To:'/'Cc:' addresses not containing email
>>>>>>> address of my email box) regularly and analyze its
>>>>>>> content as required?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The original recipient mailbox (from which the messages
>>>>>>> are forwarded) is whitelisted (messages from it are not
>>>>>>> considered spam).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would appreciate pieces of advice.
>>>>>> It depends on how your mail system is setup, but
>>>>>> preferable you'd have the MTA passing the envelope sender
>>>>>> (after alias expansion etc) to dspam. In that way, DSPAM
>>>>>> doesn't care about the message headers.
>>>>> I use the Exim setup when Dspam is used as filter.
>>>>>
>>>>> transport_filter = "/usr/bin/dspam --stdout --mode=teft
>>>>> --feature=noise,whitelist --client --deliver=innocent,spam
>>>>> --user ${lc:$local_part}"
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole message is passed, including Envelope-to: header.
>>>>> How should I make Dspam to care about message headers?
>>>> If you pipe to dspam like you dom dspam should be able to use
>>>> the --user <foo>. That should be enough for dspam, so no header
>>>> parsing should be used. Did you enable 'ParseToHeaders'? It
>>>> should not be needed.
>>> ParseToHeaders and ChangeUserOnParse were defaults (on), I have
>>> explicitly set them to off.
>>>
>>> I'll watch the results for a couple of days (if the incoming
>>> spam messages of mentioned kind will still be marked as
>>> innocent).
>>
>> After re-reading the whole thread, the fact that stuff is marked
>> as whitelisted is of course bad too. Since the original
>> receiver/forwarder didn't do a good job blocking malicious content,
>> it shouldn't be trusted.
>
> If I set up Dspam on the server where mail is coming from, is it
> possible to take into account theclassification Dspam makes on
> forwarded messages?
>
> (for certain reasons we prefer to do all spam sorting on the target
> mailboxes, to avoid additional analysis elsewhere)
Dspam adds headers, so yes. Retraining etc should be done on the
filtering host though, that might complicate the setup.

>
>> Maybe disabling whitelisting for your specific user is the better
>> option, like Wicher already mentioned.
>
> Done, thanks to Wicher for the piece of advice. Today more spam gets
> correctly identified.
>
> Konstantin
>
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