[Dspam-user] How spam is ruining my life

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[Dspam-user] How spam is ruining my life

Al Zick
Hi,

I really don't know why that I receive so much spam. I am really  
tired of it. I don't care what Ellen DeGeneres face looks like, or  
how much weight Rachael Ray has lost. I don't need pictures of nude,  
or almost nude, people sent to me. I don't need and won't be using  
any products sold by GNC after receiving hundreds of emails from them  
every day. In fact, I have thought about putting in a rule into  
procmailrc that if an email has GNC in the subject line, then it gets  
forwarded to a GNC email address. If you can't tell, I am very upset.  
After working a 10 hour day and then spending another 2 1/2 hours  
driving, I come home to find thousands of junk emails. I really need  
to work on a website, or do something productive, but I can't because  
I have to go through the trash and see if there is a real email. This  
takes hours. Then I thought that dspam would be a solution, but  
really all it has done is made the problem worse. At first, it looked  
like dspam was working, but then I realized that I could not retrain.  
After doing more research I found where people were saying that you  
can not retrain with hash and toe, so I switched to tum. I did yet  
another corpus train, and after a very short time of retraining (less  
than an hour) dspam was pulling out almost all the spam. I had  
thought that I had taken back my inbox. Then after 12 hours, dspam  
crashed and the css was corrupted. So, I tried it again. Same  
results. Even if I don't retrain, it crashes after about 12 hours. It  
worked so well, why can't it just work that way all the time? I then  
moved dspam from procmailrc to master.cf. Well, this stopped the  
crashing, still retraining doesn't work if I use an ExtLookup even  
with dspam-retrain-forward.pl. In fact, dspam-retrain-forward.pl  
crashes the main dspam process. I checked and rechecked to make sure  
it was working. I could run the extrlookup script just fine from the  
command line. Things are worse with dspam integrated directly into  
postfix, because after a short time the system was 0% idle with dspam  
and postfix using all the cpu. Yet, it uses almost no cpu with dspam  
in procmail. Dspam seemed to bounce the good emails and deliver the  
spam. I still don't know what happened to all the emails. I am not  
sure if the problem was because it was bouncing emails, or if they  
were being deferred. Many, many deferred emails. So, I put it back  
into procmailrc. I also added to my procmailrc some rules so the more  
nasty emails get deleted. Still, it is far from being effective.  
There has been may times that I thought that I had dspam working. I  
just want all the spam to go away. Is there any hope of making dspam  
work on my mail server?

Kind Regards,
Al

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Re: [Dspam-user] How spam is ruining my life

Phil Stracchino
On 06/11/15 16:07, Al Zick wrote:
> I really don't know why that I receive so much spam. I am really  
> tired of it. I don't care what Ellen DeGeneres face looks like, or  
> how much weight Rachael Ray has lost.
[...]
> At first, it looked  
> like dspam was working, but then I realized that I could not retrain.  
> After doing more research I found where people were saying that you  
> can not retrain with hash and toe, so I switched to tum.

Why are you using hash storage?  Even if you don't have a real DB engine
installed that you can use, is sqlite not an option for some reason?

If you can, try sqlite.  But...

> I did yet  
> another corpus train, and after a very short time of retraining (less  
> than an hour) dspam was pulling out almost all the spam. I had  
> thought that I had taken back my inbox. Then after 12 hours, dspam  
> crashed and the css was corrupted.

"Dspam crashed and the CSS was corrupted"?  It sounds as though you have
more serious problems than just Dspam not working as you want it to.  If
files that are never written to after installation are being corrupted,
you almost certainly have either a hardware problem, a filesystem
problem, or a malware problem.


> There has been may times that I thought that I had dspam working. I  
> just want all the spam to go away. Is there any hope of making dspam  
> work on my mail server?

I have Dspam and Postfix working together fine, with currently 99.493%
overall accuracy over almost 200,000 messages delivered.


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Re: [Dspam-user] How spam is ruining my life

RW
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:06:50 -0400
Phil Stracchino wrote:

> On 06/11/15 16:07, Al Zick wrote:

> > At first, it looked  
> > like dspam was working, but then I realized that I could not
> > retrain. After doing more research I found where people were saying
> > that you can not retrain with hash and toe, so I switched to tum.

I don't know for sure, but it sounded like that was just a
bootstrapping problem that could be solved by creating the database
with training from corpus.

It's not a bad idea to do that anyway because TOE doesn't turn-on until
there are 2500 non-spams in the database.

> Why are you using hash storage?  Even if you don't have a real DB
> engine installed that you can use, is sqlite not an option for some
> reason?

I frequently rebuild from corpus. Training ~9000 emails takes
~ 3 minutes with the hash driver and ~ 7 hours with sqlite3.

I can't say I've ever noticed any corruption problem, and because of the
corpora I don't regard the css files as precious, or care about token
expiry. Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't use the
hash driver?


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Re: [Dspam-user] How spam is ruining my life

Al Zick
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Hi,

On Jun 11, 2015, at 7:06 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:

> On 06/11/15 16:07, Al Zick wrote:
>> I really don't know why that I receive so much spam. I am really
>> tired of it. I don't care what Ellen DeGeneres face looks like, or
>> how much weight Rachael Ray has lost.
> [...]
>> At first, it looked
>> like dspam was working, but then I realized that I could not retrain.
>> After doing more research I found where people were saying that you
>> can not retrain with hash and toe, so I switched to tum.
>
> Why are you using hash storage?  Even if you don't have a real DB  
> engine
> installed that you can use, is sqlite not an option for some reason?
>
> If you can, try sqlite.  But...

I don't have mysql installed on this server, but I do have it  
installed on another server. However, getting dspam compiled with  
mysql driver support isn't as easy.


>> I did yet
>> another corpus train, and after a very short time of retraining (less
>> than an hour) dspam was pulling out almost all the spam. I had
>> thought that I had taken back my inbox. Then after 12 hours, dspam
>> crashed and the css was corrupted.
>
> "Dspam crashed and the CSS was corrupted"?  It sounds as though you  
> have
> more serious problems than just Dspam not working as you want it  
> to.  If
> files that are never written to after installation are being  
> corrupted,
> you almost certainly have either a hardware problem, a filesystem
> problem, or a malware problem.

Well, it runs fine with TOE. However, as soon as I switch to TUM it  
crashes shortly after and if I do another corpus training with TUM  
then it crashes after 12 hours. However, retraining works with TUM  
for that short time. I am wondering if this may have something to do  
with the way I am doing the corpus training. Also, I was calling  
dspam from procmail. I now have dspam successfully integrated into  
postfix. Maybe this will make a difference. Still, the documentation  
that I have with NetBSD recommends mysql even for a small install. I  
really wonder if there is no real way to make hash work on NetBSD.


>> There has been may times that I thought that I had dspam working. I
>> just want all the spam to go away. Is there any hope of making dspam
>> work on my mail server?
>
> I have Dspam and Postfix working together fine, with currently 99.493%
> overall accuracy over almost 200,000 messages delivered.

That is very accurate. It does seem very effect for me when using  
TUM, but not with TOE. However, it crashes with TUM. This just adds  
to my frustration.

Kind regards,
Al


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Re: [Dspam-user] How spam is ruining my life

Al Zick
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Hi,

On Jun 13, 2015, at 5:37 PM, RW wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:06:50 -0400
> Phil Stracchino wrote:
>
>> On 06/11/15 16:07, Al Zick wrote:
>
>>> At first, it looked
>>> like dspam was working, but then I realized that I could not
>>> retrain. After doing more research I found where people were saying
>>> that you can not retrain with hash and toe, so I switched to tum.
>
> I don't know for sure, but it sounded like that was just a
> bootstrapping problem that could be solved by creating the database
> with training from corpus.

I have been creating the database with:
cat 782081.emlx | dspam --mode=tum --process --deliver=stdout --user  
antispam --client

This last time I created the database with:
cat dspam_training/spam/new/781097.emlx | dspam --user antispam --
class=spam --source=corpus --deliver=summary

How should the database be created?

> It's not a bad idea to do that anyway because TOE doesn't turn-on  
> until
> there are 2500 non-spams in the database.

With TOE it filters very little spam. With TUM it gets almost  
everything, however it usually crashes after 12 hours.


>> Why are you using hash storage?  Even if you don't have a real DB
>> engine installed that you can use, is sqlite not an option for some
>> reason?
>
> I frequently rebuild from corpus. Training ~9000 emails takes
> ~ 3 minutes with the hash driver and ~ 7 hours with sqlite3.

That is an incredible difference.

> I can't say I've ever noticed any corruption problem, and because  
> of the
> corpora I don't regard the css files as precious, or care about token
> expiry. Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't use the
> hash driver?

I moved dspam from procmail and put it into my postfix master.cf. I  
am hoping this will fix the css corruption problem.

Kind Regards,
Al



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